Child Protective Services to a father: “You don’t have a say in the matter.”

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“You don’t have a say in the matter.”

This is what Child Protective Services is telling this father.  The father, who is only allowed to spend 8 hours a week with his daughter, is not allowed to actually be a father.  He’s been stripped of the right to even find out what medication his daughter is being given.

I’m not a father, but I don’t think you need to be a parent to find this video both terrifying and saddening.  This father may not always make the best decisions (like any parent), but he’s being told how to treat and raise his daughter by strangers.

Is this what we want for our society?

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Lisa
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He seemed pretty calm and accepting of the situation. Is there any other info as far as why he only has 8 hrs a week with his daughter and why his wife/ex wife has a restraining order against him, and why he can’t contact her school, doctor etc? I’d be curious to know the other side of the story. There are some cases where there are valid reasons why parents and children need intervention, not necessarily a stranger or CPS. Intervention can be good and helpful. If families would intervene and help when there’s a problem then things could be… Read more »
Rollo McFloogle
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You are correct, there is another side to the story. But the callous and irrational way that the CPS worker spoke to the father is disconcerting. Even without the CPS or other government involvement, there would be agencies or neighbors and churches (like you said) that would deal with these issues. The problem with the government and the CPS is that they can come in and forcefully take your child and have monopolized their ability to do that. There are certainly ways for a free society to do with parents who are unfit to raise their children, but this is… Read more »
Lisa
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That case worker, or whatever her title is may have been showing restraint. Who know what the story is? We don’t know what happened. At the same time, he could be a victim made out to be a monster and it’s all lies. We don’t know. So not knowing makes it difficult to jugde the situation and the reason why the case worker acted the way she did and why they were there in the first place. I agree, thought that isn’t the way to do it. It shouldn’t even need to go to outsiders, it should stay within the… Read more »
Rollo McFloogle
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I was actually thinking about writing an article about how situations like this could be handled in a free society as well as if children should be considered “property” of their parents and what rights children have. We live in an imperfect world, so there will never be perfect parents, but when you give someone a monopoly on power (CPS in this case), it is going to be abused. I understand your point that we don’t know the entire story (although there is a 30 minute video where both sides give their arguments and reveal clues about themselves). However, if… Read more »
Lisa
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That would be a very interesting article and probably difficult to write. I don’t think children should be considered property and I don’t believe they should have rights that remove parental rights unless their welfare, well-being and even their lives are threatened. That’s where it gets sticky. Yes, I agree. The conversation revealed many things. I thought the case worker came off too strong at first but she was right about the soda, McDonald’s, weighing the child etc. If he’s so concerned about his daughter’s weight and about her health then he should educate himself on healthy eating and drinking.… Read more »
Rollo McFloogle
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Is giving your child McDonald’s and soda enough reason to have the state take away your child? Like I said, I don’t agree with everything that the father said he did, but for the CPS to say “You don’t have a say in the matter” is downright chilling.

Lisa
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No, I’m just saying she was right about that. I don’t think his rights were taken away for that, do you? And she even admitted to being overweight. She was just doing her job. She has no authority past her position. The judge decided the case. Again, he could be a good guy who got mixed up with the wrong person. The wife could be vendictive, could have lied. Taking away parental rights is serious. How about people who go to prison for things they didn’t do? How about parents who are verbaly, emotionally and/or abusive but people/families want to… Read more »
Rollo McFloogle
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The reasons why you say we can’t have a free society are the reasons why I think we need one over the one we have. Can you honestly say that the authorities we have are honest people especially when you say that honest people are few and far between? If you can’t trust people to be honest, then how can you be comfortable with giving those same people the power to lord over you?

Lisa
Guest

Getting the authorities involved should never be the first response yet it is most times. The problem is free society or not, you’re going to have these same issues because human nature is human nature (though there is a remedy to that that many people don’t want to hear about). Will a free society deal better with these issues? That’s where I’d find the article interesting.

jen234
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the case worker seems very frustrated with this man and she probably has reason to be. this is not the first time she has heard about this man. also she is right, by weighing a child and telling her she is overweight then feeding her unhealthy foods sends mixed signals. also this may cause the child to have low esteem. it was mentioned in the beginning that the father also has mental illness. perhaps there is reason why he wasn’t told about the medication because of his negative views on medications. personally, I believe that he should be told of… Read more »